VS moving to EDI?

[Bearsden]

Yes, and COVID-19 has made EDI's strategy of total dominance much easier - simply compare the European destinations being served today . . . the deals for based aircraft with Ryanair and easyJet pre COVID-19 are underpinning recovery

It is certainly not 'brown envelopes' but a much stronger commercial proposition

[bill]

Yes but why switch to EDI as this is not even an inbound tourism thing ? More brown envelopes being passed around ?

More likely a case of AGS sitting with their collective thumbs up their arses. Horrendous news and just another dagger in the heart of GLA.

[Ekally1]

From what i understand from a friend of mine at another large UK airport who is in route development and former PIK financial director . Here is his understanding of the GLA management -

* No drive - mainly as they are rarely at Route development meetings, EDI are the in all there glory with large stands , bagpipes etc etc , kilts etc etc ... GLA are absent .
* Knew EDI where speaking to VS and made no attempt or a pitiful attempt to keep them . Vs where doing well at GLA as they where going year round last year before covid on A332 over winter months and growing summer so cant be performace related .. So i can only guess EDI offered some amazing discount as they have a poor track record of MCO and Florida . But no attempt from team GLA.

* GLA CEO is weak ... My friend worked with him during BAA days and he is not the man to run the airport . NO DIRECTION , no plan and no accountablity

*Airlines do not like dealing with owner and route development as other airports are more flexible , accomodating and more welcoming . GLA has an arrogance they do not like . Many airlines have commented this to my friend .

* many inexpericed people in important positions ..

[bill]

I'm RAGING..!! at this rate we'll be lucky to hold onto anything but domestic flights and holiday charters at GLA, although there not even safe now looking at the holiday destinations outta EDI these days..!!
So what's EDI plans re its terminal cause pre covid it's an over cramped S**t hole and I for one will not be going near it, although might not have an option in the not to distant future. GLA being suffocated now by both PIK and EDI. Jeeze.., not good..!!

Your summary of EDI is exactly how I found it. Cramped,confusing and annoying, however, if things don't change soon we'll have two choices if we want to fly. Join the heards heading towards London airports or jump through to EDI. We need FR to pitch up asap but given Provan's attitude towards lo-co I'm not holding my breath. Closing PIK to passengers would potentially help but then FR would just head east as it stands.

[Hialflyer]

AGS need to sell GLA and fast otherwise there will be nothing left. If GLA had been sold instead of EDI most of the airlines in the east would be operating from GLA.

BAA were hopeless at keeping airlines and AGS are basically them in a new name. Same dont care atitude and no fight. Heads would be rolling in any other company if their track record was so embarrassing.

[PiperOne]

From what i understand from a friend of mine at another large UK airport who is in route development and former PIK financial director . Here is his understanding of the GLA management -

* No drive - mainly as they are rarely at Route development meetings, EDI are the in all there glory with large stands , bagpipes etc etc , kilts etc etc ... GLA are absent .
* Knew EDI where speaking to VS and made no attempt or a pitiful attempt to keep them . Vs where doing well at GLA as they where going year round last year before covid on A332 over winter months and growing summer so cant be performace related .. So i can only guess EDI offered some amazing discount as they have a poor track record of MCO and Florida . But no attempt from team GLA.

* GLA CEO is weak ... My friend worked with him during BAA days and he is not the man to run the airport . NO DIRECTION , no plan and no accountablity

*Airlines do not like dealing with owner and route development as other airports are more flexible , accomodating and more welcoming . GLA has an arrogance they do not like . Many airlines have commented this to my friend .

* many inexpericed people in important positions ..

All of which is a complete reversal of the 2007-2017 era with a dynamic team who went to the route conferences, and were actively building relationships with commercial people at airlines. Ok, it didn't always work, but at least an effort was being made. It looks like all of that team have now gone, or not getting support.

Combine this with a new, more pro-active management in the east, with lots of new stand space and a terminal extension to sell, and an approach to keeping costs down for the airlines, is making life very difficult for GLA. Difficult to see where they go from here, but maybe that analyst job that was being advertised might attract someone with a real drive and passion to grow the business.

[egpffqtv]

VS @ EDI event happening tonight

https://www.facebook.com/69039766779958 ... 165158390/

[Bearsden]

All of which is a complete reversal of the 2007-2017 era with a dynamic team who went to the route conferences, and were actively building relationships with commercial people at airlines. Ok, it didn't always work, but at least an effort was being made. It looks like all of that team have now gone, or not getting support.

Combine this with a new, more pro-active management in the east, with lots of new stand space and a terminal extension to sell, and an approach to keeping costs down for the airlines, is making life very difficult for GLA. Difficult to see where they go from here, but maybe that analyst job that was being advertised might attract someone with a real drive and passion to grow the business.

Regrettably the analyst job sounds as if it is 5 years too late - GLA has lost its Ryanair base, Wizzair and now Virgin Atlantic plus the US carriers for 2022 at least and allowed Emirates to add a rotation at EDI (if Emirates second rotation into Scotland which is probable in 2022 goes to EDI before GLA then 'the cat is amongst the pigeons' (or perhaps 'the tiger is amongst the turkeys'!) while the Scottish Ministers of course still prop up passenger operations at PIK through its military revenue

In 2019, the split of 24.2m passengers was EDI 61%, GLA 36%, PIK 3%

Getting the crystal ball out I'll guess 18m passengers in 2022 with EDI 66% (12.0m), GLA 31% (5.5m), PIK 3% (0.5m)

[Ekally1]

Also hearing , DL is the influence in the move , consolidate ops at EDI ... albeit edi more inbound , Orlando certainly isnt ... got a poor record in outbound florida routes ... this one could be a mistake ... VS in twitter messages saying they can grow more at EDI which would make sense with DL also at EDI , but dont think MCO and BGI the right routes to do it ... GLA lost the boat with loco and going for the alliances also ... only got there selfs to blame

[PiperOne]

With Tui moving to Melbourne, for the Space Coast, GLA now has a gaping hole in the market with no service to Orlando. I'm struggling to see who is going to fill this space, as it is still an important part of the leisure market. Or, are Virgin taking a punt that all their regular users will take the M8 to still fly with them?