Ryanair: Could my prayers be answered?

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Re: Ryanair: Could my prayers be answered?

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Clive wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:12 am
buddyboy wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:08 pm
GKirk wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:39 pm They'll need to be an announcement soon otherwise pax figures will plummet
At GLA? With 2x new TUI 737's plus longer based dreamliner, 1x jet 737 on top of the 7 already based and another EZY airbus for the coming summer I don't see figures plummeting. FR's ops at GLA are unfortunately pretty small, the airports figures won't plummet at their loss.

However I'd love them to base at Glasgow and get the numbers up
GLA expecting 8.5m pax this year according to Ronald Leitch.
Currently 7.2m

It needs an 18% increase to get to 8.5m which seems somewhat optimistic
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Re: Ryanair: Could my prayers be answered?

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Bearsden wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:23 am
Clive wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:12 am
buddyboy wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:08 pm

At GLA? With 2x new TUI 737's plus longer based dreamliner, 1x jet 737 on top of the 7 already based and another EZY airbus for the coming summer I don't see figures plummeting. FR's ops at GLA are unfortunately pretty small, the airports figures won't plummet at their loss.

However I'd love them to base at Glasgow and get the numbers up
GLA expecting 8.5m pax this year according to Ronald Leitch.
Currently 7.2m

It needs an 18% increase to get to 8.5m which seems somewhat optimistic
Yip but that’s what he said in a quote about the upcoming jobs fair at the airport. We’d need a Ryanair base to get to that number this year otherwise it can’t happen.
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Re: Ryanair: Could my prayers be answered?

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Clive wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:00 am
Bearsden wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:23 am
Currently 7.2m

It needs an 18% increase to get to 8.5m which seems somewhat optimistic
Yip but that’s what he said in a quote about the upcoming jobs fair at the airport. We’d need a Ryanair base to get to that number this year otherwise it can’t happen.
Yes, it would certainly require that, or a number of other significant announcements - but clearly its getting pretty late for announcements for S24.

On the other hand, we could be reading too much into his statements and he's just being over optimistic.

Even if GLA got to 8.5m next year, it's still short of 2019 numbers, whilst many airports in the UK and Europe are already caught up.
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Re: Ryanair: Could my prayers be answered?

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Clive wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:00 am
Bearsden wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:23 am
Clive wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:12 am

GLA expecting 8.5m pax this year according to Ronald Leitch.
Currently 7.2m

It needs an 18% increase to get to 8.5m which seems somewhat optimistic
Yip but that’s what he said in a quote about the upcoming jobs fair at the airport. We’d need a Ryanair base to get to that number this year otherwise it can’t happen.
Here's the quote for those who have not seen it, copied directly from the media release,

Ronald Leitch, Interim Chief Operating Officer of AGS Airports, which owns Glasgow Airport, said: “As we enter the new year and the aviation industry continues grow from strength to strength, we anticipate that Glasgow Airport will welcome well over 8.5-million passengers 2024.
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GeorgeNTravels wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:31 pm
Clive wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:00 am
Bearsden wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:23 am

Currently 7.2m

It needs an 18% increase to get to 8.5m which seems somewhat optimistic
Yip but that’s what he said in a quote about the upcoming jobs fair at the airport. We’d need a Ryanair base to get to that number this year otherwise it can’t happen.
Here's the quote for those who have not seen it, copied directly from the media release,

Ronald Leitch, Interim Chief Operating Officer of AGS Airports, which owns Glasgow Airport, said: “As we enter the new year and the aviation industry continues grow from strength to strength, we anticipate that Glasgow Airport will welcome well over 8.5-million passengers 2024.
So something major must be happening unless he’s mistaken.
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Re: Ryanair: Could my prayers be answered?

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https://www.glasgowairport.com/media-ce ... next-week/

It is quoted as 'well over 8.5 million passengers for 2024'.
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Re: Ryanair: Could my prayers be answered?

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An increase to 8.5m equates to about a further 1.3m passengers compared to the MAT to October 2023 of 7.2m (latest month from CAA data). There's not much growth between now and March, so most of that 1.3m has to happen between March and December, with the bulk of it most likely being by October.

We know we'll have three additional based 737s across TUI and Jet2. Assuming four sector days for each for 211 days and 189 seats equates to around a further 475,000 (a bit less than that in reality as there'll be some W patterns). Add a two aircraft Ryanair base assuming eight sector days and you get about another 630,000 (might not be as much as that if the based aircraft took over some of the current away-based flying). So that's about 1.1m over the summer, leaving about another 200,000 to come from less intensive use of those additional aircraft in November and December. Plus there'll be some growth on existing services no doubt and the sixth based easyJet aircraft.

Ronald Leitch is presumably as ITK as they come, so should be a busy summer ahead.
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Re: Ryanair: Could my prayers be answered?

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G-WATP wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:31 pm An increase to 8.5m equates to about a further 1.3m passengers compared to the MAT to October 2023 of 7.2m (latest month from CAA data). There's not much growth between now and March, so most of that 1.3m has to happen between March and December, with the bulk of it most likely being by October.

We know we'll have three additional based 737s across TUI and Jet2. Assuming four sector days for each for 211 days and 189 seats equates to around a further 475,000. Add a two aircraft Ryanair base assuming eight sector days and you get about another 630,000 (might not be as much as that if the based aircraft took over some of the current away-based flying). So that's about 1.1m over the summer, leaving about another 200,000 to come from less intensive use of those additional aircraft in November and December. Plus there'll be some growth on existing services no doubt and the sixth based easyJet aircraft.

Ronald Leitch is presumably as ITK as they come.
I believe on most days of the week one of the TUI aircraft does a W pattern to ABZ, so I'd suggest they might generate somewhat fewer pax than calculated. I think also that their Summer season starts in early May, so perhaps more like 180 days than 211?

If FR were to base again, I could possibly see them going back onto STN and perhaps starting BFS, but I still think it might be a bit of a stretch to consistantly get up to 8 sector days, especially when their ops would probably also include plenty longer flights to the Med.

Taking these factors into account GLA might need more like 3 FR aircraft, or some other new routes/airlines, especially they're going for "well over" 8.5m.

It's certainly interesting to see the COO saying this, as you say given his position you would hope he should be in the know! However, we've also had plenty false dawns and rumours that go nowhere, so I'll wait and see.
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Re: Ryanair: Could my prayers be answered?

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Iain wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:03 pm
G-WATP wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:31 pm An increase to 8.5m equates to about a further 1.3m passengers compared to the MAT to October 2023 of 7.2m (latest month from CAA data). There's not much growth between now and March, so most of that 1.3m has to happen between March and December, with the bulk of it most likely being by October.

We know we'll have three additional based 737s across TUI and Jet2. Assuming four sector days for each for 211 days and 189 seats equates to around a further 475,000. Add a two aircraft Ryanair base assuming eight sector days and you get about another 630,000 (might not be as much as that if the based aircraft took over some of the current away-based flying). So that's about 1.1m over the summer, leaving about another 200,000 to come from less intensive use of those additional aircraft in November and December. Plus there'll be some growth on existing services no doubt and the sixth based easyJet aircraft.

Ronald Leitch is presumably as ITK as they come.
I believe on most days of the week one of the TUI aircraft does a W pattern to ABZ, so I'd suggest they might generate somewhat fewer pax than calculated. I think also that their Summer season starts in early May, so perhaps more like 180 days than 211?

If FR were to base again, I could possibly see them going back onto STN and perhaps starting BFS, but I still think it might be a bit of a stretch to consistantly get up to 8 sector days, especially when their ops would probably also include plenty longer flights to the Med.

Taking these factors into account GLA might need more like 3 FR aircraft, or some other new routes/airlines, especially they're going for "well over" 8.5m.

It's certainly interesting to see the COO saying this, as you say given his position you would hope he should be in the know! However, we've also had plenty false dawns and rumours that go nowhere, so I'll wait and see.
When TUI announced 2 new aircraft they claimed 180,000 extra seats, but this is essentially just replacing Ryanair capacity, as their 6 routes had in the region of 160,000 seats, plus Dublin sees a reduction on some flights due to the removal of the 737-8-200 from Dublin.

Then PLAY has to be factored into the equation, with the loss of 30k seats or so, it takes the remaining 20k left by TUI growth, as well as eating into the Jet2 growth.

By my rough sums the growth figure for GLA in summer is around 290k for the season.
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Re: Ryanair: Could my prayers be answered?

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What’s the S24 EZY growth from the 6th A/C, they’ve also got a lot of away-based flying (ALC) that was originally done by GLA based A/C in the past.
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