Now that we have new owners, what should be GLA’s priorities?
For me, I’d pick any of the following:
Get UA/AA/AC/VS/DL back in the door.
3 daily LH from FRA.
Routes to our new ‘sister’ airports HAM/DUS and ATH.
Increase in away based flying from EZY and FR.
TK IST
EK 2nd daily DXB
2 daily AF to CDG and SK to CPH/ARN to complement KL.
Vastly improve public transport - get speaking to the Scottish and UK Governments about GARL.
AviAlliance & GLA: To do / wish lists
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Re: AviAlliance & GLA: To do / wish lists
My initial target list for the new owners is largely in line with yours, egpffqtv. The immediate priority should be restoring what was lost under Derek Provan, along with other key targets.
Key Airline Priorities:
Air Canada – Resume service to Toronto.
American Airlines – Reinstate flights to Philadelphia.
EasyJet – Increase the number of based aircraft to ensure a robust domestic schedule, extend seasonal routes to year-round service, and introduce much-needed additional city connections. If Paris can sustain up to four daily flights, then daily services to cities like Barcelona, Madrid, and Milan should be a given.
Emirates – Restore the second daily flight and eliminate Glasgow East.
Delta Air Lines – Reintroduce service to New York JFK.
Ryanair – The key driver of growth. Maximise based aircraft and significantly expand away-based flying. Ryanair is the only airline that can propel GLA’s passenger numbers to where they should already be. Additional bonus if the based aircraft come at the expense of Glasgow East.
United Airlines – Resume flights to Newark.
Virgin Atlantic – Bring back services to Las Vegas and Orlando, and encourage them to drop Glasgow East.
WestJet – Add operations to Calgary and restore Halifax, and Toronto, while dropping Glasgow East.
The initial priority should be restoring previously successful routes that have demonstrated sustained demand over time, as all the above have. This establishes a strong foundation for growth and helps return GLA to its rightful position in Scottish aviation, accurately reflecting true passenger demand.
Beyond the route network, improving public transport connections should be a key focus. While a rail link would be ideal, a more immediate and practical solution is establishing frequent, reliable bus and coach services to cities and towns across Scotland.
There should be a coach to Edinburgh every 30 minutes, along with regular services to key destinations like Aberdeen, Dundee, and Carlisle. These routes should also include stops in major towns along the way, such as Perth and Stirling, ensuring better connectivity for passengers across the region.
A completely new marketing team is needed. Anyone who simply copies and pastes news about new routes from Glasgow East should be removed immediately. It has happened far too many times and frankly it's unacceptable. Likewise, those posting as neds on social media, referring to passengers as "troops" should have been gone yesterday. GLA’s marketing is, at best, amateur and, at times, outright embarrassing.
Key Airline Priorities:
Air Canada – Resume service to Toronto.
American Airlines – Reinstate flights to Philadelphia.
EasyJet – Increase the number of based aircraft to ensure a robust domestic schedule, extend seasonal routes to year-round service, and introduce much-needed additional city connections. If Paris can sustain up to four daily flights, then daily services to cities like Barcelona, Madrid, and Milan should be a given.
Emirates – Restore the second daily flight and eliminate Glasgow East.
Delta Air Lines – Reintroduce service to New York JFK.
Ryanair – The key driver of growth. Maximise based aircraft and significantly expand away-based flying. Ryanair is the only airline that can propel GLA’s passenger numbers to where they should already be. Additional bonus if the based aircraft come at the expense of Glasgow East.
United Airlines – Resume flights to Newark.
Virgin Atlantic – Bring back services to Las Vegas and Orlando, and encourage them to drop Glasgow East.
WestJet – Add operations to Calgary and restore Halifax, and Toronto, while dropping Glasgow East.
The initial priority should be restoring previously successful routes that have demonstrated sustained demand over time, as all the above have. This establishes a strong foundation for growth and helps return GLA to its rightful position in Scottish aviation, accurately reflecting true passenger demand.
Beyond the route network, improving public transport connections should be a key focus. While a rail link would be ideal, a more immediate and practical solution is establishing frequent, reliable bus and coach services to cities and towns across Scotland.
There should be a coach to Edinburgh every 30 minutes, along with regular services to key destinations like Aberdeen, Dundee, and Carlisle. These routes should also include stops in major towns along the way, such as Perth and Stirling, ensuring better connectivity for passengers across the region.
A completely new marketing team is needed. Anyone who simply copies and pastes news about new routes from Glasgow East should be removed immediately. It has happened far too many times and frankly it's unacceptable. Likewise, those posting as neds on social media, referring to passengers as "troops" should have been gone yesterday. GLA’s marketing is, at best, amateur and, at times, outright embarrassing.
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It's going to take a bit of time to put everything together in marketing and sales, and create a strategy for the future. There's a lot of work to be done to diversify the portfolio, which is key to success. As a number of airports have found out, it is not desirable to be too dependant on one or two markets.
I think that it's positive for the future, and I certainly look forward to seeing the new leadership being interviewed in depth.
I think that it's positive for the future, and I certainly look forward to seeing the new leadership being interviewed in depth.
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As a regular traveller to Dusseldorf, I’ll be back there again this May, I wouldn’t get overly excited just yet.
DUS is now a shadow of its former self: no trans Atlantic flights; Delta have pulled out and although Condor base a 339 there it is for holiday routes to Mexico and the Caribbean islands. Eurowings is by far the largest operator; it’s their HQ and Condor with a smattering ifTUI supply other outbound seats on leisure routes.
Yes there are plenty of routes to Turkey: Sun Express, Pegasus,Andalou and Turkish but not shed loads of anything else. EK and QR, plus EY.
No Ryanair as NRN lies to the north and CGN to the south, so like Glasgow two competitor airports surrounding the central one.
Gone are the days of a battery of LT, DE,HF, plus Aerolloyd, Blue Wings, Germania all providing supplemental services.
So where can GLA look for expansion? EasyJet, TUI, Aer Lingus UK, Norse, Breeze, Turkish, a second Emirates flight, more WIzz ( albeit their latest losses May out paid to any further expansion ) BA/Cityflyer for starters.
AC, AA UA boats have all long since sailed and I honest doubt the ability of a Scottish market to support Toronto on AC and Philadelphia on AA to support operations from two central Scotland airports give the service are now daily from the competitor airport.
By the way some folks may not know this. CEO Gerhard Schroeder is a former German Chancellor who was forced to relinquish his Russian business interests due to Ukraine sanctions. He has been married for time times earning him the nickname “Audi Man” - four rings!
DUS is now a shadow of its former self: no trans Atlantic flights; Delta have pulled out and although Condor base a 339 there it is for holiday routes to Mexico and the Caribbean islands. Eurowings is by far the largest operator; it’s their HQ and Condor with a smattering ifTUI supply other outbound seats on leisure routes.
Yes there are plenty of routes to Turkey: Sun Express, Pegasus,Andalou and Turkish but not shed loads of anything else. EK and QR, plus EY.
No Ryanair as NRN lies to the north and CGN to the south, so like Glasgow two competitor airports surrounding the central one.
Gone are the days of a battery of LT, DE,HF, plus Aerolloyd, Blue Wings, Germania all providing supplemental services.
So where can GLA look for expansion? EasyJet, TUI, Aer Lingus UK, Norse, Breeze, Turkish, a second Emirates flight, more WIzz ( albeit their latest losses May out paid to any further expansion ) BA/Cityflyer for starters.
AC, AA UA boats have all long since sailed and I honest doubt the ability of a Scottish market to support Toronto on AC and Philadelphia on AA to support operations from two central Scotland airports give the service are now daily from the competitor airport.
By the way some folks may not know this. CEO Gerhard Schroeder is a former German Chancellor who was forced to relinquish his Russian business interests due to Ukraine sanctions. He has been married for time times earning him the nickname “Audi Man” - four rings!
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I thought DUS was pretty heavily slot restricted, with restrictions on early morning and evening flights. Looking at DUS arrivals it would appear no departures after 9pm. Surely these restrictions rather curtail the possibilities for locos as much as CGN or NRN. Also, as I understand it, some locos currently see Germany as a high cost/low yield market, so this may also play into things.
Notwithstanding that, I'd still say that DUS still has a wide array of carriers and routes that GLA can only dream about.
We should also note that AviAlliance appear to have a significantly less than 50% stake in DUS, so how much control/responsibility they have is perhaps open to discussion. The only airport they have >50% is ATH, so that's maybe the best indicator. Also they appear to have had 55% of BUD until 6 months ago and that seems to have done all right - hence Mr Jandu coming to AGS after doing a good job there one presumes.
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Then the EDI fanboys better make the most of Air Canada and American Airlines while they’re still at EDI. I’m not sure why you assume that just because they moved from GLA to EDI, the reverse couldn’t happen. The easy ride Team EDI has enjoyed for too long may finally be coming to an end. As I’ve said before, the current level of transatlantic capacity from EDI isn’t sustainable and certainly doesn’t reflect demand from Scotland’s second city. Many of these flights are propped up by passengers from Glasgow who have little choice but to use the airport at the wrong end of the M8. The one certainty is change.
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Then the EDI fanboys better make the most of Air Canada and American Airlines while they’re still at EDI. I’m not sure why you assume that just because they moved from GLA to EDI, the reverse couldn’t happen. The easy ride Team EDI has enjoyed for too long may finally be coming to an end. As I’ve said before, the current level of transatlantic capacity from EDI isn’t sustainable and certainly doesn’t reflect demand from Scotland’s second city. Many of these flights are propped up by passengers from Glasgow who have little choice but to use the airport at the wrong end of the M8. The one certainty is change.FlyGLA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 4:23 pm [quote=atuk post_id=14202 time=<a href="tel:1738436936">1738436936</a> user_id=75]
AC, AA UA boats have all long since sailed and I honest doubt the ability of a Scottish market to support Toronto on AC and Philadelphia on AA to support operations from two central Scotland airports give the service are now daily from the competitor airport.
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The reason I say what I do is down to frequency and aircraft size. When AC served GLA it was a daily 767 to YYZ. Then came Rouge to EDI and GLA operating on alternate days. Now AC is a 787 daily summer only usually an 800, often a 900. I worked on that product so have first hand experience of it.
Although US Airways operated to PHL from GLA then alsoEDI both 757s. Now AA returning but with 787s again summer only daily but again I honestly don’t believe there is sufficient traffic for both airports. Again there are various Oneworld sister airlines serving the competitor airport which don’t serve GLA.
I resent your tone and accusatory EDI fanboy. There is no need for your stance, I simply tell it as it is. Unlike your zenophobia!
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If you read my message again, you'll see I never called you an EDI fanboy this time. I simply stated that EDI fanboys should enjoy their current transatlantic offering while it lasts. Though, perhaps it's telling that you felt the collective term included you. Maybe the thought of AC, AA, and others pulling out of Scotland's second city is a bit unsettling for you.
That said, I agree that there isn’t enough demand from Scotland to sustain 787s on routes to destinations like Toronto and Philadelphia from both airports. In fact, Philadelphia didn’t even work from both airports on a 757, with EDI’s service failing after just a season or two, while GLA kept its service for nearly 20 years. These routes from EDI are only viable now because passengers from Glasgow and the west are essentially subsidising flights from EDI. The most logical solution would be to cut EDI and return these routes to GLA, where there has been a much stronger track record of success. Hopefully, the new owners at GLA can work to bring back Air Canada, American Airlines, Virgin Atlantic, and WestJet, eventually leading to EDI being entirely dropped by these airlines.
P.S. I suggest you double-check both the spelling and meaning of xenophobia before embarrassing yourself again. Just to help you out, it starts with an X, not a Z. Xenophobia specifically refers to a dislike or fear of people from other countries or cultures, not an opinion on an airport.
That said, I agree that there isn’t enough demand from Scotland to sustain 787s on routes to destinations like Toronto and Philadelphia from both airports. In fact, Philadelphia didn’t even work from both airports on a 757, with EDI’s service failing after just a season or two, while GLA kept its service for nearly 20 years. These routes from EDI are only viable now because passengers from Glasgow and the west are essentially subsidising flights from EDI. The most logical solution would be to cut EDI and return these routes to GLA, where there has been a much stronger track record of success. Hopefully, the new owners at GLA can work to bring back Air Canada, American Airlines, Virgin Atlantic, and WestJet, eventually leading to EDI being entirely dropped by these airlines.
P.S. I suggest you double-check both the spelling and meaning of xenophobia before embarrassing yourself again. Just to help you out, it starts with an X, not a Z. Xenophobia specifically refers to a dislike or fear of people from other countries or cultures, not an opinion on an airport.