Flights to Glasgow scrapped by major airline in 'difficult decision'

[egpffqtv]

Not news to many here but just making it to the media now

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/flight ... t-decision

[rusty irish]

The only way I see any TATL carriers coming back is if like FR with the UK growth becomes strangled and they need to find new ways to increase margins, but even then it'll always be vulnerable.

Its scandalous that GLA doesn't even have a summer seasonal to NYC and you have the likes of ATL running daily out of EDI. Its been clear though after five years that Provan was clueless and the AGS strategy is to make money by spending as little as possible.

Success for 2023 will be getting a Ryanair base back.

[Sharpal7]

When the owner's portfolio alongside GLA is two small stagnating regional airports, it tells you all you need to know...

Very apt.

[Bearsden]

When the owner's portfolio alongside GLA is two small stagnating regional airports, it tells you all you need to know...

Very apt.

Sadly Ferrovial don't seem to know much about GLA . . . .
8.8m passengers and 'Glasgow is the second busiest airport in Scotland after Edinburgh and is the largest for long-haul flights, connecting Scotland with Asia and the North Atlantic.'

https://www.ferrovial.com/en/business/p ... w-airport/

[hads]

Personally, I dont think the Management or owners drove GLA into the ground. Ive yet to be part of ; or worked with a Management team who over a coffee state, " lets screw this up"
Thats not real life.
I think you need to look primarily 40 miles East, and to a lesser extent 35 miles south west to appreciate the paltry offerings available.
Im a broken record on this. To me its as clear as day. 25 million customers available ( normally).
When I was but a lad, playing football in the park. " next goals the winner".
We have a winner. It aint us.

[Clive]

Personally, I dont think the Management or owners drove GLA into the ground. Ive yet to be part of ; or worked with a Management team who over a coffee state, " lets screw this up"
Thats not real life.
I think you need to look primarily 40 miles East, and to a lesser extent 35 miles south west to appreciate the paltry offerings available.
Im a broken record on this. To me its as clear as day. 25 million customers available ( normally).
When I was but a lad, playing football in the park. " next goals the winner".
We have a winner. It aint us.

Quite agree. There’s a lot of crazy talk and not a lot of realism. The airlines want Turnhoose. That’s 95% of the answer in 4 words.

[Sharpal7]

Personally, I dont think the Management or owners drove GLA into the ground. Ive yet to be part of ; or worked with a Management team who over a coffee state, " lets screw this up"
Thats not real life.
I think you need to look primarily 40 miles East, and to a lesser extent 35 miles south west to appreciate the paltry offerings available.
Im a broken record on this. To me its as clear as day. 25 million customers available ( normally).
When I was but a lad, playing football in the park. " next goals the winner".
We have a winner. It aint us.

Quite agree. There’s a lot of crazy talk and not a lot of realism. The airlines want Turnhoose. That’s 95% of the answer in 4 words.

[Sharpal7]

Personally, I dont think the Management or owners drove GLA into the ground. Ive yet to be part of ; or worked with a Management team who over a coffee state, " lets screw this up"
Thats not real life.
I think you need to look primarily 40 miles East, and to a lesser extent 35 miles south west to appreciate the paltry offerings available.
Im a broken record on this. To me its as clear as day. 25 million customers available ( normally).
When I was but a lad, playing football in the park. " next goals the winner".
We have a winner. It aint us.

Quite agree. There’s a lot of crazy talk and not a lot of realism. The airlines want Turnhoose. That’s 95% of the answer in 4 words.

So the question has to be: why did the airlines not want Turnhouse when Glasgow had all the TATL traffic and and greater pax figures, both under BAA ownership if I recall correctly?

[Clive]

Personally, I dont think the Management or owners drove GLA into the ground. Ive yet to be part of ; or worked with a Management team who over a coffee state, " lets screw this up"
Thats not real life.
I think you need to look primarily 40 miles East, and to a lesser extent 35 miles south west to appreciate the paltry offerings available.
Im a broken record on this. To me its as clear as day. 25 million customers available ( normally).
When I was but a lad, playing football in the park. " next goals the winner".
We have a winner. It aint us.

Quite agree. There’s a lot of crazy talk and not a lot of realism. The airlines want Turnhoose. That’s 95% of the answer in 4 words.

So the question has to be: why did the airlines not want Turnhouse when Glasgow had all the TATL traffic and and greater pax figures, both under BAA ownership if I recall correctly?

Aye, so different owners for a start, although some talk as if it’s still BAA in charge.

EDI was a sleepy airport back then. I have a BAA timetable from 1999 that lists all 3 of EDI’s scheduled international flights. DUB, CPH and FRA I think it was. This was before deregulation and before the advent of budget airlines providing direct links between thousands of city pairs across the globe that were previously uncovered. As you know it was all hub and spoke before then.

The budget boom opened up Edinburgh’s short break market no end, just as it also did for the likes of Prague, Barcelona and Krakow. Edinburgh ranked with European visitors because it is, without question, an outstanding city break destination. It’s now also the gateway to Scotland because airlines are like sheep and critical mass was achieved many years ago. EDI became the bigger of the two while both were owned by the same company. The one that EDI supporters swore was holding EDI back to keep the company’s favourite airport on top.

Finally, as you also know, when the UK Govt. rescinded the law that kept Transatlantic flights at PIK, BAA and GLA stood ready to take all of these pax flights and a load of new ones. At the time, around 1990, BAA EDI was not even a consideration for those airlines. More than half of EDI’s pax were flying to and from airports in London and most of the rest were flying on other domestic services. The boast then that it was the business man’s airport was self defeating as the mass market is not dressed in pin stripe suits.

But you know all of this as well as I do, Alistair. Fergus will attest to all I’ve said.

[Bearsden]

Personally, I dont think the Management or owners drove GLA into the ground. Ive yet to be part of ; or worked with a Management team who over a coffee state, " lets screw this up"
Thats not real life.
I think you need to look primarily 40 miles East, and to a lesser extent 35 miles south west to appreciate the paltry offerings available.
Im a broken record on this. To me its as clear as day. 25 million customers available ( normally).
When I was but a lad, playing football in the park. " next goals the winner".
We have a winner. It aint us.

Quite agree. There’s a lot of crazy talk and not a lot of realism. The airlines want Turnhoose. That’s 95% of the answer in 4 words.

Let's go back to the original deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29650438

Why would anybody spend £1 billion on three 'dud' airports without a plan? And a plan with various options / scenarios to address the competition and inevitable changes in market conditions. I have to state that management have either been asleep at the wheel or have been constrained by the owners needing a return to shift cash overseas through various company structures ie no medium term 'loss making' deals for long term growth and/or damaging the competition.

The previously published long-term plans of year on year growth were never achievable and probably contained a sizeable proportion of duplication between GLA, EDI & PIK if added together but might have satisfied the individual airport's lenders at that time, but in today's post COVID / high inflation / war in Eastern Europe / environmental pressures scenario the banks will need more, a lot more . . . the published 2023/24 schedules frankly don't add much more traffic (it is easy to have a soundbite that says a million more passengers . . . but what is the datum?)