Effect of covid on aviation

[Clive]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/197 ... ry-future/

Again note the different tone in the words . . .

I've had a look at the various comments on this article and the Summer 2022 US flights from EDI article (see other thread) as well as Ryanair's Summer 2022 schedule from PIK and sat back with an accountant's hat on . . . quite simply how deep are AGS's pockets in £s?

The September passenger numbers haven't been published but 1.9m passengers for 2021 is quoted (the moving annual to August was 1.3m so 0.6m over 4 months including the impact of COP26)

I'll let you do the maths for a certain other airport which has published its September passenger totals

Not interested in the other airport but what I took from the article is Brian McLean talking about how the airlines will consolidate services. That means in the case of sub-daily serviced they have duplicate international flights they will cut one airport and keep one (exceptions exist). Obviously the one they will keep is Edinboro.

So it’s a busted flush. GLA has to build from the ground up and it needs more than anything to get a big Ryanair base in place if footfall is ever to reach previous levels.

[atuk]

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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/197 ... ry-future/

Again note the different tone in the words . . .

I've had a look at the various comments on this article and the Summer 2022 US flights from EDI article (see other thread) as well as Ryanair's Summer 2022 schedule from PIK and sat back with an accountant's hat on . . . quite simply how deep are AGS's pockets in £s?

The September passenger numbers haven't been published but 1.9m passengers for 2021 is quoted (the moving annual to August was 1.3m so 0.6m over 4 months including the impact of COP26)

I'll let you do the maths for a certain other airport which has published its September passenger totals
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Not interested in the other airport but what I took from the article is Brian McLean talking about how the airlines will consolidate services. That means in the case of sub-daily serviced they have duplicate international flights they will cut one airport and keep one (exceptions exist). Obviously the one they will keep is Edinboro.

So it’s a busted flush. GLA has to build from the ground up and it needs more than anything to get a big Ryanair base in place if footfall is ever to reach previous levels.
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Would that be by removing the PIK operation?

[Clive]

So it’s a busted flush. GLA has to build from the ground up and it needs more than anything to get a big Ryanair base in place if footfall is ever to reach previous levels.

Would that be by removing the PIK operation?

Poaching it, yes, that would be a great way to start. Like other airports do when competing with rivals.

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So it’s a busted flush. GLA has to build from the ground up and it needs more than anything to get a big Ryanair base in place if footfall is ever to reach previous levels.

Would that be by removing the PIK operation?
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Poaching it, yes, that would be a great way to start. Like other airports do when competing with rivals.
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Don’t see any sign of that atm. Do you?

[Clive]

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So it’s a busted flush. GLA has to build from the ground up and it needs more than anything to get a big Ryanair base in place if footfall is ever to reach previous levels.

Would that be by removing the PIK operation?

Poaching it, yes, that would be a great way to start. Like other airports do when competing with rivals.
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Don’t see any sign of that atm. Do you?
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Sadly not.

[Bearsden]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/197 ... ry-future/

Again note the different tone in the words . . .

I've had a look at the various comments on this article and the Summer 2022 US flights from EDI article (see other thread) as well as Ryanair's Summer 2022 schedule from PIK and sat back with an accountant's hat on . . . quite simply how deep are AGS's pockets in £s?

The September passenger numbers haven't been published but 1.9m passengers for 2021 is quoted (the moving annual to August was 1.3m so 0.6m over 4 months including the impact of COP26)

I'll let you do the maths for a certain other airport which has published its September passenger totals

Not interested in the other airport but what I took from the article is Brian McLean talking about how the airlines will consolidate services. That means in the case of sub-daily serviced they have duplicate international flights they will cut one airport and keep one (exceptions exist). Obviously the one they will keep is Edinboro.

So it’s a busted flush. GLA has to build from the ground up and it needs more than anything to get a big Ryanair base in place if footfall is ever to reach previous levels.

Building from the ground up needs time and an aggressive commercial approach against two competitors in basically a single market ie Central Scotland (the only exception is probably some point to point domestic routes)

GLA management has failed in the last 15-20 years to stem the trend east (48.1 miles is not a barrier to travel across the North Sea, English Channel or Atlantic Ocean . . . and it is only 48.1 miles if you live west of GLA)

The trend at GLA was downwards pre COVID-19 and the pandemic will significantly decelerate any recovery as noted above

AGS has a debt mountain to service (see PIK thread) . . . I would probably have to trim the first sentence of the second paragraph of Clive's comment above down to a four letter (slang in financial terms) word

[Clive]

I've had a look at the various comments on this article and the Summer 2022 US flights from EDI article (see other thread) as well as Ryanair's Summer 2022 schedule from PIK and sat back with an accountant's hat on . . . quite simply how deep are AGS's pockets in £s?

The September passenger numbers haven't been published but 1.9m passengers for 2021 is quoted (the moving annual to August was 1.3m so 0.6m over 4 months including the impact of COP26)

I'll let you do the maths for a certain other airport which has published its September passenger totals

Not interested in the other airport but what I took from the article is Brian McLean talking about how the airlines will consolidate services. That means in the case of sub-daily serviced they have duplicate international flights they will cut one airport and keep one (exceptions exist). Obviously the one they will keep is Edinboro.

So it’s a busted flush. GLA has to build from the ground up and it needs more than anything to get a big Ryanair base in place if footfall is ever to reach previous levels.

Building from the ground up needs time and an aggressive commercial approach against two competitors in basically a single market ie Central Scotland (the only exception is probably some point to point domestic routes)

GLA management has failed in the last 15-20 years to stem the trend east (48.1 miles is not a barrier to travel across the North Sea, English Channel or Atlantic Ocean . . . and it is only 48.1 miles if you live west of GLA)

The trend at GLA was downwards pre COVID-19 and the pandemic will significantly decelerate any recovery as noted above

AGS has a debt mountain to service (see PIK thread) . . . I would probably have to trim the first sentence of the second paragraph of Clive's comment above down to a four letter (slang in financial terms) word

So yes, it’s a busted flush. Maybe we just have to accept the reality.

[Sharpal7]

Not interested in the other airport but what I took from the article is Brian McLean talking about how the airlines will consolidate services. That means in the case of sub-daily serviced they have duplicate international flights they will cut one airport and keep one (exceptions exist). Obviously the one they will keep is Edinboro.

So it’s a busted flush. GLA has to build from the ground up and it needs more than anything to get a big Ryanair base in place if footfall is ever to reach previous levels.

Building from the ground up needs time and an aggressive commercial approach against two competitors in basically a single market ie Central Scotland (the only exception is probably some point to point domestic routes)

GLA management has failed in the last 15-20 years to stem the trend east (48.1 miles is not a barrier to travel across the North Sea, English Channel or Atlantic Ocean . . . and it is only 48.1 miles if you live west of GLA)

The trend at GLA was downwards pre COVID-19 and the pandemic will significantly decelerate any recovery as noted above

AGS has a debt mountain to service (see PIK thread) . . . I would probably have to trim the first sentence of the second paragraph of Clive's comment above down to a four letter (slang in financial terms) word

So yes, it’s a busted flush. Maybe we just have to accept the reality.

Never a truer word has been spoken gents. Reality and resignation is setting in.

[Iain]

So yes, it’s a busted flush. Maybe we just have to accept the reality.

Not when thousands of jobs in Glasgow's business in tourism sectors are likely at threat because of that. Fewer fights to Glasgow just means fewer visitors and opportunities for business travellers and then resultant economic damage. For instance, how many large conferences will the city continue to attract if you have to tell the organisers that their delegates mostly have to fly to Edinburgh and then catch a bus?

Moreover, the acceptance of that will just lead to terminal decline. Less pax, less money, even fewer pax, and so on.

I think we can all come up with a host of points where the owners in management at GLA have gone wrong over the years - indeed if you look back in this thread we see terrible media messaging, with somebody supposedly there to represent GLA giving out terrible inaccurate information which is then reported by the media and enters the mind of the traveling public - and GLA do nothing to counteract this. Meanwhile EDI are all over the press with positive messaging which is completely in contrast. This is nothing to do with more tourists wanting to visit Edinburgh or any other inbuilt advantage, it is just simply more competent management...........and as such if GLA is simply better managed, then better can be done in the future.

If we''re looking at UK national capitals with a devolved parliament and a castle in the city centre and saying that means the airport serving the city will be a runaway success - and any others competing with it are stuffed - then just take a look at CWL and BRS.

Wrt PIK, if Edinburgh can "prey" on GLA then GLA in turn should be able to prey on the much weaker PIK - but we don't see that. Why not?

[Clive]

So yes, it’s a busted flush. Maybe we just have to accept the reality.

Not when thousands of jobs in Glasgow's business in tourism sectors are likely at threat because of that. Fewer fights to Glasgow just means fewer visitors and opportunities for business travellers and then resultant economic damage. For instance, how many large conferences will the city continue to attract if you have to tell the organisers that their delegates mostly have to fly to Edinburgh and then catch a bus?

Moreover, the acceptance of that will just lead to terminal decline. Less pax, less money, even fewer pax, and so on.

I think we can all come up with a host of points where the owners in management at GLA have gone wrong over the years - indeed if you look back in this thread we see terrible media messaging, with somebody supposedly there to represent GLA giving out terrible inaccurate information which is then reported by the media and enters the mind of the traveling public - and GLA do nothing to counteract this. Meanwhile EDI are all over the press with positive messaging which is completely in contrast. This is nothing to do with more tourists wanting to visit Edinburgh or any other inbuilt advantage, it is just simply more competent management...........and as such if GLA is simply better managed, then better can be done in the future.

If we''re looking at UK national capitals with a devolved parliament and a castle in the city centre and saying that means the airport serving the city will be a runaway success - and any others competing with it are stuffed - then just take a look at CWL and BRS.

Wrt PIK, if Edinburgh can "prey" on GLA then GLA in turn should be able to prey on the much weaker PIK - but we don't see that. Why not?

That last point remains a mystery.

You are entitled to blame a succession of managers and two different owners over the years but airlines serve cities and regions, not airports. And they will always act in ways which they think is to their best advantage.

So it’s not easy getting airlines to GLA, especially when every airline is contracting, consolidating and trying to survive.

It may help to not just look at GLA v EDI in isolation. A wider look at UK airports will probably see consolidation with the biggest few being the beneficiaries and even them far from happy.