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Whats this claptrap about Tories? do you advocate that every job should be saved? That the state should fund bankrupt/inefficient companies? Thats almost Orwellian. If its friar tucked. And it is. Throw it in the sea. Great when the state pays your wages and your employer is basically trading illegally. ( without Funding) . A complete clusterfuck .

hads wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:48 pm Whats this claptrap about Tories? do you advocate that every job should be saved? That the state should fund bankrupt/inefficient companies? Thats almost Orwellian. If its friar tucked. And it is. Throw it in the sea. Great when the state pays your wages and your employer is basically trading illegally. ( without Funding) . A complete clusterfuck .

Couldn’t agree more! Prestwick is a sacred cow which no Ayrshire politician will look at without wearing rose coloured spectacles. It’s finest hours were in the 707/DC8 super sixty era.

Just think how much that £44 million could have helped improve GLA,EDI, ABZ, INV or even be poured into an enterprise zone around GLA over the past for decades!

atuk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:16 pm

hads wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:48 pm Whats this claptrap about Tories? do you advocate that every job should be saved? That the state should fund bankrupt/inefficient companies? Thats almost Orwellian. If its friar tucked. And it is. Throw it in the sea. Great when the state pays your wages and your employer is basically trading illegally. ( without Funding) . A complete clusterfuck .

Couldn’t agree more! Prestwick is a sacred cow which no Ayrshire politician will look at without wearing rose coloured spectacles. It’s finest hours were in the 707/DC8 super sixty era.

Just think how much that £44 million could have helped improve GLA,EDI, ABZ, INV or even be poured into an enterprise zone around GLA over the past for decades!

GLA is getting a multi million pound enterprise zone around it.

Anyhoo, we can’t discuss politics but generally speaking, saving industries and moreover national infrastructure assets like a specialist aerodrome such as PIK is normally seen as a good thing for governments to do.

So we’ll see how the land lies financially and otherwise once it finally gets sold.

It’s only the terminal pax ops that I have a negative view on and hopefully so will the new owners.

Agree regards the enterprise zone but it’s decades too late! I remember discussing this with Fergus in the late 80s early 90s in connection with the LHR M4 corridor which has been ultra successful in locating businesses, logistics and manufacturing.

My wish was for something similar between GLA-PIK with a fully dualled A737 to compliment the, then dual A77 now M77.

Why are we always so retrospect in Scotland? Perhaps it’s due to the quality of the folks who ran/ run it.

atuk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:53 am Agree regards the enterprise zone but it’s decades too late! I remember discussing this with Fergus in the late 80s early 90s in connection with the LHR M4 corridor which has been ultra successful in locating businesses, logistics and manufacturing.

My wish was for something similar between GLA-PIK with a fully dualled A737 to compliment the, then dual A77 now M77.

Why are we always so retrospect in Scotland? Perhaps it’s due to the quality of the folks who ran/ run it.

Maybe it’s because we are in the UK union so haven’t had the same opportunities as normal countries do - but that’s for another forum. You did ask.

Trgger knows the industry.
Do baggage handlers get £38,000 per annum?

hads wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:36 am Trgger knows the industry.
Do baggage handlers get £38,000 per annum?

I can help answer that too. The short answer is no. Even a baggage manager responsible for ramp and cargo services would be a bit less than that.

Loads of folks in airport jobs are on minimum wage or not much above it. Of course, the sacred cow of Scottish aviation would have to be different, wouldn’t it?

atuk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:49 pm

hads wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:36 am Trgger knows the industry.
Do baggage handlers get £38,000 per annum?

I can help answer that too. The short answer is no. Even a baggage manager responsible for ramp and cargo services would be a bit less than that.

Loads of folks in airport jobs are on minimum wage or not much above it. Of course, the sacred cow of Scottish aviation would have to be different, wouldn’t it?

Why? Who earns £38k at PIK?

Clive wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:32 pm [quote=atuk post_id=1951 time=<a href="tel:1602175799">1602175799</a> user_id=75]
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Trgger knows the industry.
Do baggage handlers get £38,000 per annum?

I can help answer that too. The short answer is no. Even a baggage manager responsible for ramp and cargo services would be a bit less than that.

Loads of folks in airport jobs are on minimum wage or not much above it. Of course, the sacred cow of Scottish aviation would have to be different, wouldn’t it?
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Why? Who earns £38k at PIK?
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I’m answering Hads statement regards the average wage per employee at PIK.

atuk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:47 am

Clive wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:32 pm [quote=atuk post_id=1951 time=<a href="tel:1602175799">1602175799</a> user_id=75]
[quote=hads post_id=1945 time=<a href="tel:1602153373">1602153373</a> user_id=150]
Trgger knows the industry.
Do baggage handlers get £38,000 per annum?

I can help answer that too. The short answer is no. Even a baggage manager responsible for ramp and cargo services would be a bit less than that.

Loads of folks in airport jobs are on minimum wage or not much above it. Of course, the sacred cow of Scottish aviation would have to be different, wouldn’t it?

Why? Who earns £38k at PIK?
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I’m answering Hads statement regards the average wage per employee at PIK.
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He didn’t state that. He took the cumulative loan funding then divided it by number of employees to demonstrate nominally how much it has cost the airport company to keep them in a job. He later asked if a baggage handler earns £38k.

As you are both good with business finances you will know that the loan capital has not all gone on wages. There are innumerable running costs at airports in addition to wages. Furthermore, the sum of over £40 million has accumulated over a number of years so doesn’t show the nominal annual investment per employee without dividing it further by the number of years.

So it’s all a bit of political delusion. In fact it’s exactly the kind of thing Richard Leonard does at the Scottish branch of Labour.