Edinburgh

[Clive]

We just need to accept this is how is going to be from now on

Indeed.

[GKirk]

We just need to accept this is how is going to be from now on

Indeed.

It has been the norm for years now. AGS are useless.

Not sure there is much they can do if the airlines prefer EDI over GLA

[viscount]

It was interesting to see EDI's comments about the Wizzair move - frankly not bothered

Perhaps, but they weren't exactly going to publicly say they were really upset about it!

I don’t think they are really bothered, they are more interested in long haul, they see themselves as the LHR of Scotland.
They have all the European flights they need.

[Ekally1]

Hainian dirch edi again apparently

[Planeenthusiast]

Hainian dirch edi again apparently

S24 not loaded yet. Manchester in same position.

[atuk]

[quote=Iain post_id=10706 time=<a href="tel:1698265214">1698265214</a> user_id=379]
[quote=Bearsden post_id=10705 time=<a href="tel:1698263711">1698263711</a> user_id=72]

It was interesting to see EDI's comments about the Wizzair move - frankly not bothered

Perhaps, but they weren't exactly going to publicly say they were really upset about it!
[/quote]

I don’t think they are really bothered, they are more interested in long haul, they see themselves as the LHR of Scotland.
They have all the European flights they need.
[/quote]

They may see themselves as that but in reality it’s becoming a mini version of LHR. You may well laugh but although there is much talk of US Pre Clearance what is really required right now is a proper seemless Flight Connection for International to International with a fast becoming critical mass of Alliance carriers feeding to from each other.

Much more worrying for folks is the capital city syndrome borne out by JetBkue whose services are all from capitals - London,Paris and Amsterdam.

Nobody is allowed to forget that Edinburgh is Scotland’s capital and Glasgow its largest city. Given the massive housing developments within the Edinburgh city boundary the population gap is closing fast and it won’t be too long - say five years before Edinburgh claims the title of both capital and largest city.I’m sure that also plays in their marketing approach too.

[Clive]

[quote=Iain post_id=10706 time=<a href="tel:1698265214">1698265214</a> user_id=379]
[quote=Bearsden post_id=10705 time=<a href="tel:1698263711">1698263711</a> user_id=72]

It was interesting to see EDI's comments about the Wizzair move - frankly not bothered

Perhaps, but they weren't exactly going to publicly say they were really upset about it!

I don’t think they are really bothered, they are more interested in long haul, they see themselves as the LHR of Scotland.
They have all the European flights they need.
[/quote]

They may see themselves as that but in reality it’s becoming a mini version of LHR. You may well laugh but although there is much talk of US Pre Clearance what is really required right now is a proper seemless Flight Connection for International to International with a fast becoming critical mass of Alliance carriers feeding to from each other.

Much more worrying for folks is the capital city syndrome borne out by JetBkue whose services are all from capitals - London,Paris and Amsterdam.

Nobody is allowed to forget that Edinburgh is Scotland’s capital and Glasgow its largest city. Given the massive housing developments within the Edinburgh city boundary the population gap is closing fast and it won’t be too long - say five years before Edinburgh claims the title of both capital and largest city.I’m sure that also plays in their marketing approach too.
[/quote]

City boundaries don’t come into it. Greater Glasgow is far bigger than Greater Edinburgh. The inner city areas are more of interest to city councils who provide services, etc, not to the airline ticket-buying residents or inbound visitors.

But the way JetBlue did EDI and DUB in tandem - I think that is right. EDI really is going to be the equivalent of DUB on the world stage and it will develop a route network very similar because many of the market attributes and selling points are the same for both cities and both airports.

If we detach ourselves from the tribal aspect then we have to ask ourselves why not? GLA bosses have to work in this real-world reality even if aviation enthusiasts don’t and EDI reached a pivotal point many years ago which I trace back to the day they secured a Ryanair base. Seriously - the sky was the limit from that day on.

[buddyboy]

[quote=Iain post_id=10706 time=<a href="tel:1698265214">1698265214</a> user_id=379]
[quote=Bearsden post_id=10705 time=<a href="tel:1698263711">1698263711</a> user_id=72]

It was interesting to see EDI's comments about the Wizzair move - frankly not bothered

Perhaps, but they weren't exactly going to publicly say they were really upset about it!

I don’t think they are really bothered, they are more interested in long haul, they see themselves as the LHR of Scotland.
They have all the European flights they need.

They may see themselves as that but in reality it’s becoming a mini version of LHR. You may well laugh but although there is much talk of US Pre Clearance what is really required right now is a proper seemless Flight Connection for International to International with a fast becoming critical mass of Alliance carriers feeding to from each other.

Much more worrying for folks is the capital city syndrome borne out by JetBkue whose services are all from capitals - London,Paris and Amsterdam.

Nobody is allowed to forget that Edinburgh is Scotland’s capital and Glasgow its largest city. Given the massive housing developments within the Edinburgh city boundary the population gap is closing fast and it won’t be too long - say five years before Edinburgh claims the title of both capital and largest city.I’m sure that also plays in their marketing approach too.
[/quote]

City boundaries don’t come into it. Greater Glasgow is far bigger than Greater Edinburgh. The inner city areas are more of interest to city councils who provide services, etc, not to the airline ticket-buying residents or inbound visitors.

But the way JetBlue did EDI and DUB in tandem - I think that is right. EDI really is going to be the equivalent of DUB on the world stage and it will develop a route network very similar because many of the market attributes and selling points are the same for both cities and both airports.

If we detach ourselves from the tribal aspect then we have to ask ourselves why not? GLA bosses have to work in this real-world reality even if aviation enthusiasts don’t and EDI reached a pivotal point many years ago which I trace back to the day they secured a Ryanair base. Seriously - the sky was the limit from that day on.
[/quote]

I think we need to remember that a lot of the growth is TATL flights is due to the strong dollar v pound. This won't last forever.

I understand the comparison to Dublin from a tourism and attractiveness point of view but historically Dublin has always been the population centre of Ireland. Edinburgh has not and won't be in Scotland. At least not to the same scale. Dublin has a pop of 1.5 million. No other Irish city comes close, the next largest being Cork with 220000. Glasgow has enough critical mass to sustain more services than it does.

[Clive]

Perhaps, but they weren't exactly going to publicly say they were really upset about it!

I don’t think they are really bothered, they are more interested in long haul, they see themselves as the LHR of Scotland.
They have all the European flights they need.

They may see themselves as that but in reality it’s becoming a mini version of LHR. You may well laugh but although there is much talk of US Pre Clearance what is really required right now is a proper seemless Flight Connection for International to International with a fast becoming critical mass of Alliance carriers feeding to from each other.

Much more worrying for folks is the capital city syndrome borne out by JetBkue whose services are all from capitals - London,Paris and Amsterdam.

Nobody is allowed to forget that Edinburgh is Scotland’s capital and Glasgow its largest city. Given the massive housing developments within the Edinburgh city boundary the population gap is closing fast and it won’t be too long - say five years before Edinburgh claims the title of both capital and largest city.I’m sure that also plays in their marketing approach too.

City boundaries don’t come into it. Greater Glasgow is far bigger than Greater Edinburgh. The inner city areas are more of interest to city councils who provide services, etc, not to the airline ticket-buying residents or inbound visitors.

But the way JetBlue did EDI and DUB in tandem - I think that is right. EDI really is going to be the equivalent of DUB on the world stage and it will develop a route network very similar because many of the market attributes and selling points are the same for both cities and both airports.

If we detach ourselves from the tribal aspect then we have to ask ourselves why not? GLA bosses have to work in this real-world reality even if aviation enthusiasts don’t and EDI reached a pivotal point many years ago which I trace back to the day they secured a Ryanair base. Seriously - the sky was the limit from that day on.
[/quote]

I think we need to remember that a lot of the growth is TATL flights is due to the strong dollar v pound. This won't last forever.

I understand the comparison to Dublin from a tourism and attractiveness point of view but historically Dublin has always been the population centre of Ireland. Edinburgh has not and won't be in Scotland. At least not to the same scale. Dublin has a pop of 1.5 million. No other Irish city comes close, the next largest being Cork with 220000. Glasgow has enough critical mass to sustain more services than it does.
[/quote]

It does of course and there’s plenty of unserved destinations that need to be served.

But if “it’s all wan market BTW” is true then GLA is the secondary airport in the region and those who criticise GLA’s management for what they consider malaise or ineptitude have been barking up the wrong tree for a long number of years. Without a rail link to Glasgow and the national rail network and without even a bus to the popular city of Edinburgh the bosses at GLA are on a hiding to nothing. Rather that DUB because it doesn’t have the regional competition It’s like BWI versus IAD when all of the global visitors have heard of and fancy visiting Washington DC.

[buddyboy]

I don’t think they are really bothered, they are more interested in long haul, they see themselves as the LHR of Scotland.
They have all the European flights they need.

They may see themselves as that but in reality it’s becoming a mini version of LHR. You may well laugh but although there is much talk of US Pre Clearance what is really required right now is a proper seemless Flight Connection for International to International with a fast becoming critical mass of Alliance carriers feeding to from each other.

Much more worrying for folks is the capital city syndrome borne out by JetBkue whose services are all from capitals - London,Paris and Amsterdam.

Nobody is allowed to forget that Edinburgh is Scotland’s capital and Glasgow its largest city. Given the massive housing developments within the Edinburgh city boundary the population gap is closing fast and it won’t be too long - say five years before Edinburgh claims the title of both capital and largest city.I’m sure that also plays in their marketing approach too.

City boundaries don’t come into it. Greater Glasgow is far bigger than Greater Edinburgh. The inner city areas are more of interest to city councils who provide services, etc, not to the airline ticket-buying residents or inbound visitors.

But the way JetBlue did EDI and DUB in tandem - I think that is right. EDI really is going to be the equivalent of DUB on the world stage and it will develop a route network very similar because many of the market attributes and selling points are the same for both cities and both airports.

If we detach ourselves from the tribal aspect then we have to ask ourselves why not? GLA bosses have to work in this real-world reality even if aviation enthusiasts don’t and EDI reached a pivotal point many years ago which I trace back to the day they secured a Ryanair base. Seriously - the sky was the limit from that day on.

I think we need to remember that a lot of the growth is TATL flights is due to the strong dollar v pound. This won't last forever.

I understand the comparison to Dublin from a tourism and attractiveness point of view but historically Dublin has always been the population centre of Ireland. Edinburgh has not and won't be in Scotland. At least not to the same scale. Dublin has a pop of 1.5 million. No other Irish city comes close, the next largest being Cork with 220000. Glasgow has enough critical mass to sustain more services than it does.
[/quote]

It does of course and there’s plenty of unserved destinations that need to be served.

But if “it’s all wan market BTW” is true then GLA is the secondary airport in the region and those who criticise GLA’s management for what they consider malaise or ineptitude have been barking up the wrong tree for a long number of years. Without a rail link to Glasgow and the national rail network and without even a bus to the popular city of Edinburgh the bosses at GLA are on a hiding to nothing. Rather that DUB because it doesn’t have the regional competition It’s like BWI versus IAD when all of the global visitors have heard of and fancy visiting Washington DC.
[/quote]

I would agree it is all one market. Especially for US based airlines. The distance between the cities is miniscule in US terms and they think nothing of it. However given the level of service now to EDI and the aforementioned one market I find it incredible that GLA management have lost all US service and failed to attract anything new.