Hypothetical bit of fun.

[Bearsden]

Some interesting responses, but I think the turnaround timescale needs to be in under two years

In June 2021, AGS completed negotiations regarding amending and extending its debt facility with unanimous approval from all lenders. Under the aforementioned agreement, AGS’s debt will now mature in June 2024. AGS net bank debt stood at £716m at 30 September 2021.

Some data to consider . . . . cities where 2019 EDI + PIK total passengers exceeded GLA by over 100,000, a total of just under 3 million
BRUSSELS 210,000
PRAGUE 111,000
COPENHAGEN 219,000
PARIS 263,000
BERLIN 124,000
FRANKFURT 103,000
HAMBURG 127,000
MUNICH 128,000
DUBLIN 156,000
MILAN 168,000
AMSTERDAM 241,000
OSLO 133,000
KRAKOW 107,000
BARCELONA 193,000
MADRID 176,000
TENERIFE 112,000
STOCKHOLM 115,000
BASEL MULHOUSE 108,000
GENEVA 177,000

TOTAL 2,971,000

[Clive]

Some interesting responses, but I think the turnaround timescale needs to be in under two years

In June 2021, AGS completed negotiations regarding amending and extending its debt facility with unanimous approval from all lenders. Under the aforementioned agreement, AGS’s debt will now mature in June 2024. AGS net bank debt stood at £716m at 30 September 2021.

Some data to consider . . . . cities where 2019 EDI + PIK total passengers exceeded GLA by over 100,000, a total of just under 3 million
BRUSSELS 210,000
PRAGUE 111,000
COPENHAGEN 219,000
PARIS 263,000
BERLIN 124,000
FRANKFURT 103,000
HAMBURG 127,000
MUNICH 128,000
DUBLIN 156,000
MILAN 168,000
AMSTERDAM 241,000
OSLO 133,000
KRAKOW 107,000
BARCELONA 193,000
MADRID 176,000
TENERIFE 112,000
STOCKHOLM 115,000
BASEL MULHOUSE 108,000
GENEVA 177,000

TOTAL 2,971,000

Plenty there for GLA bosses to be trying to claim their fair share.

Mind easyJet saying they were going to start addressing the balance?

And looking at the list, of the destinations Ryanair don’t already do from GLA, they could do nearly all of them. GVA is probably the only exception.

[Bearsden]

Adding to the earlier data table, I omitted New York 110,000 so over 3 million in the > 100,000 band

The next band from 50,000 to 100,000 totals over 1 million

VIENNA 56,000
HELSINKI 61,000
COLOGNE BONN 60,000
ATHENS 60,000
BUDAPEST 65,000
BERGAMO 89,000
PISA 51,000 (of which PIK 20,000)
VENICE 61,000
GDANSK 67,000
WARSAW 55,000
FARO 75,000 (of which PIK 61,000)
LISBON 85,000
PALMA 85,000 (of which PIK 70,000)
SEVILLE 71,000
ISTANBUL 64,000
PHILADELPHIA 63,000

1,068,000

Some of these cities were previously served exclusively from Glasgow (eg Philadelphia) or have been tried during the brief period when we had a small Ryanair base (eg Lisbon)

If there is going to be minimal overall growth over 2019 for 3-5 years (back to 24.2 million passengers by say 2025/2026) with point to point domestic probably down (eg Birmingham, East Midlands, Manchester) then there are 36 primary destinations listed above with over 4 million passengers going to EDI & PIK plus a further 30 destinations with a further 1.1 million passengers in the next band from 25,000 to 50,000 mainly going to EDI

I know a new year should bring a sense of optimism and although this is a hypothetical thread, GLA has lost ground since 2019 so any new owner would require deep pockets to fund attractive commercial deals for all its airline customers as well as passive competition as inevitably any growth will involve taking business away from its competitors if GLA to get significantly above 7.5 million passengers in 2025/2026

All the best for 2022

[GeorgeNTravels]

Hypothetically speaking, would expanding towards the Loganair hanger take place if the airport was willing to make major road relocation or is there not enough space at that end of the airport?

[atuk]

[quote=Bearsden post_id=5496 time=<a href="tel:1640979028">1640979028</a> user_id=72]
Some interesting responses, but I think the turnaround timescale needs to be in under two years

In June 2021, AGS completed negotiations regarding amending and extending its debt facility with unanimous approval from all lenders. Under the aforementioned agreement, AGS’s debt will now mature in June 2024. AGS net bank debt stood at £716m at 30 September 2021.

Some data to consider . . . . cities where 2019 EDI + PIK total passengers exceeded GLA by over 100,000, a total of just under 3 million
BRUSSELS 210,000
PRAGUE 111,000
COPENHAGEN 219,000
PARIS 263,000
BERLIN 124,000
FRANKFURT 103,000
HAMBURG 127,000
MUNICH 128,000
DUBLIN 156,000
MILAN 168,000
AMSTERDAM 241,000
OSLO 133,000
KRAKOW 107,000
BARCELONA 193,000
MADRID 176,000
TENERIFE 112,000
STOCKHOLM 115,000
BASEL MULHOUSE 108,000
GENEVA 177,000

TOTAL 2,971,000

Plenty there for GLA bosses to be trying to claim their fair share.

Mind easyJet saying they were going to start addressing the balance?

And looking at the list, of the destinations Ryanair don’t already do from GLA, they could do nearly all of them. GVA is probably the only exception.
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Well quite a few of these routes were tried from PIK in 737-200 days and didn’t survive. Lubec, Hahn, Beauvais, Charleroi, Torp, Skavsta, Bergamo. If they didn’t cut the mustard on 130 seaters then it’s unlikely they would succeed on 189 seaters. Ryanair don’t serve Switzerland it’s too expensive for them.

Having said that calling time on PIK would be the catalyst to ensure passenger operations could be easily covered by EDI or GLA departures.

[Clive]

[quote=Bearsden post_id=5496 time=<a href="tel:1640979028">1640979028</a> user_id=72]
Some interesting responses, but I think the turnaround timescale needs to be in under two years

In June 2021, AGS completed negotiations regarding amending and extending its debt facility with unanimous approval from all lenders. Under the aforementioned agreement, AGS’s debt will now mature in June 2024. AGS net bank debt stood at £716m at 30 September 2021.

Some data to consider . . . . cities where 2019 EDI + PIK total passengers exceeded GLA by over 100,000, a total of just under 3 million
BRUSSELS 210,000
PRAGUE 111,000
COPENHAGEN 219,000
PARIS 263,000
BERLIN 124,000
FRANKFURT 103,000
HAMBURG 127,000
MUNICH 128,000
DUBLIN 156,000
MILAN 168,000
AMSTERDAM 241,000
OSLO 133,000
KRAKOW 107,000
BARCELONA 193,000
MADRID 176,000
TENERIFE 112,000
STOCKHOLM 115,000
BASEL MULHOUSE 108,000
GENEVA 177,000

TOTAL 2,971,000

Plenty there for GLA bosses to be trying to claim their fair share.

Mind easyJet saying they were going to start addressing the balance?

And looking at the list, of the destinations Ryanair don’t already do from GLA, they could do nearly all of them. GVA is probably the only exception.

Well quite a few of these routes were tried from PIK in 737-200 days and didn’t survive. Lubec, Hahn, Beauvais, Charleroi, Torp, Skavsta, Bergamo. If they didn’t cut the mustard on 130 seaters then it’s unlikely they would succeed on 189 seaters.
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That was PIK. We are talking about GLA here.

You realise you’ve just said GLA couldn’t support the popular European routes Bearsden listed with the blank sheet Bill described in the OP?

[atuk]

Simply stating facts which history proved correct.

Yes it would be great to see GLA back in the ascendency but given the economic situation welcome back to 1974.

[bill]

Some really interesting and varied points mooted in the thread. Thanks to those who bothered to contribute.

Personally, my first action would a two-part affair:

1.1 Get MOL to the table and deal him a 2,3 or 4 aircraft base (two (?) from PIK right away ). Unpopular amongst a few on here I know but who else would be able to boost the pax numbers almost instantly?

1.2 The commerce movers and shakers for the west/central belt of Scotland (including Western Isles etc...) must plan, set up and fund their own advertising/ promotional campaigns as visit Scotland are clearly too involved with other regions to devote any serious time elsewhere.

Tin hat on...

[Darren10]

Some cracking examples throughout. I might as well get my 2p worth in!

1 - EZY are the key to unlocking EU routes in my opinion. Routes connecting GLA with the likes of CPH, MAD, ARL, LIS, and MUC deserve a crack at a decent frequency. With business traffic being somewhat non-existent at the moment, We might well be waiting longer than most would like however leisure traffic could thrive in these markets in my opinion. Anything from 5 x weekly upwards would be a good starting point.

2 - TK as a second eastern hub would be a great coup. GLA not only has an increasingly large Turkish/Asian community, But it holds a huge part of Scotlands population along with our Ayrshire neighbors. Plenty of holidaymakers looking to enjoy the sunshine on the other side of the world! We have seen how well EK has and continues to do at GLA. Could TK perhaps be enticed into a 4 x weekly rotation?

3 - VS/MCO Has to be the biggest mind boggler in recent times for me. If it's not broken, why fix it? A route that has consistently done well over the years in serving Scotland's largest population base. With the likes of Disney, Universal, and access to the everglades and Miami just down the road, I'd love to see their a330s in GLA again. An absolute must for the airport.

4 - Last but not least good old FR. While I'm conscious that FR can cause unrest among other carriers at any particular airport, I can't help but agree with the rest of the guys who support their introduction. An FR/LS combination across the vast array of leisure opportunities at GLA would be a game-changer. Yes I know I'm living in a dreamland if I think that both airlines would exist happily ever after however, They both serve a key purpose in the success of GLA and I'm sure that with a bit of trial and error, both airlines could thrive in their own respective rights.

[GeorgeNTravels]

I was doing some browsing on the internet and actually a massively under-rated market is Bulgaria. Sofia and Plovdiv are both close to numerous ski resorts (good for the winter) and both are very nice cities and have nice climate and plenty to do (good for summer)