FEB Route Resumptions

[Clive]

I’ve been reading all the posts with great interest and agree with many of the issues raised.

To be fair Mr Provan’s background was originally at GLA before ABZ,STN and LHR then moving back home. As we all know the aviation industry has changed enormously over the past couple of years and may still do so more again if the Russian war against Ukraine escalates further and becomes more widespread.god forbid, but it’s is distinct possibility which shouldn’t be discounted.more so given the USA statements regards advising against travel to Europe!

Back to GLA. Yes a fortress TUI airport would make sense- how many years have I banged that drum? GLA covering EDI, ABZ, BFS working together with NCL aircraft on multiple W flights.
It looks like this summer TUI Lakes and Mountains may be vacating GLA for seats on EZY from EDI! Yet another lost market mirroring the eclipse of ski destinations on offer from GLA versus EDI.

SAS have recently introduced SAS Link from CPH using a lower cost base. Perhaps scope to capture a GLA-CPH service?

Work with EZY to introduce a more city services with alternative departures from GLA to complement EDI services where EDI have been or are double daily or 11 weekly. MXP, GVA, CDG all spring to mind.

Work with IAG to offer EIUK departures using 330/321 trans Atlantic taking the pressure off DUB and increase destinations on offer.

Develop seamless transfer options and use GLA as a northern hub with feeder flights from SOU, BRS, CWL, EMA using LM/BACF.

But….what about everyone’s solution to save GLA, Ryanair? Many will wish to throw darts in my eyes, stab pins in a voodoo doll of me but my words are Caveat Emptor! Ryanair have recently vacated FRA claiming increased overheads but the reality is the deal has run out. Their operation may have increased their own footfall but adversely impacted LH, DE and X3 !

Ryanair has also thrown the toys out of the pram with LIS in a row over slot allocations. Again if things don’t go Ryanair’s way it there way or no way and to hell with everyone else. Yes they have 10 based aircraft at EDI this summer so it looks like any chance of more flights from GLA have simply disappeared given the proximity of both airports and Central Scotland being viewed as a single market.

Yet they couldn’t possibly fall out with EDI and move everything to GLA? Or turnaround times at EDI become contentious. Or new bosses at GLA make them an offer that can’t be refused.

Never say never, especially with Ryanair.

[atuk]

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I’ve been reading all the posts with great interest and agree with many of the issues raised.

To be fair Mr Provan’s background was originally at GLA before ABZ,STN and LHR then moving back home. As we all know the aviation industry has changed enormously over the past couple of years and may still do so more again if the Russian war against Ukraine escalates further and becomes more widespread.god forbid, but it’s is distinct possibility which shouldn’t be discounted.more so given the USA statements regards advising against travel to Europe!

Back to GLA. Yes a fortress TUI airport would make sense- how many years have I banged that drum? GLA covering EDI, ABZ, BFS working together with NCL aircraft on multiple W flights.
It looks like this summer TUI Lakes and Mountains may be vacating GLA for seats on EZY from EDI! Yet another lost market mirroring the eclipse of ski destinations on offer from GLA versus EDI.

SAS have recently introduced SAS Link from CPH using a lower cost base. Perhaps scope to capture a GLA-CPH service?

Work with EZY to introduce a more city services with alternative departures from GLA to complement EDI services where EDI have been or are double daily or 11 weekly. MXP, GVA, CDG all spring to mind.

Work with IAG to offer EIUK departures using 330/321 trans Atlantic taking the pressure off DUB and increase destinations on offer.

Develop seamless transfer options and use GLA as a northern hub with feeder flights from SOU, BRS, CWL, EMA using LM/BACF.

But….what about everyone’s solution to save GLA, Ryanair? Many will wish to throw darts in my eyes, stab pins in a voodoo doll of me but my words are Caveat Emptor! Ryanair have recently vacated FRA claiming increased overheads but the reality is the deal has run out. Their operation may have increased their own footfall but adversely impacted LH, DE and X3 !

Ryanair has also thrown the toys out of the pram with LIS in a row over slot allocations. Again if things don’t go Ryanair’s way it there way or no way and to hell with everyone else. Yes they have 10 based aircraft at EDI this summer so it looks like any chance of more flights from GLA have simply disappeared given the proximity of both airports and Central Scotland being viewed as a single market.

Yet they couldn’t possibly fall out with EDI and move everything to GLA? Or turnaround times at EDI become contentious. Or new bosses at GLA make them an offer that can’t be refused.

Never say never, especially with Ryanair.
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As you say Clive you never know.but I take issue regards turnaround times.all my colleagues work their buts off to ensure on time departure and that includes meeting 25 minute spins where scheduled as well as take bag payments prior to boarding. I know personally, I’m one who helps achieve this .

[Clive]

Yet they couldn’t possibly fall out with EDI and move everything to GLA? Or turnaround times at EDI become contentious. Or new bosses at GLA make them an offer that can’t be refused.

Never say never, especially with Ryanair.

As you say Clive you never know.but I take issue regards turnaround times.all my colleagues work their buts off to ensure on time departure and that includes meeting 25 minute spins where scheduled as well as take bag payments prior to boarding. I know personally, I’m one who helps achieve this .

Yes, we know. Of course this phenomenon is unique to EDI as I suspected.

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Yet they couldn’t possibly fall out with EDI and move everything to GLA? Or turnaround times at EDI become contentious. Or new bosses at GLA make them an offer that can’t be refused.

Never say never, especially with Ryanair.

As you say Clive you never know.but I take issue regards turnaround times.all my colleagues work their buts off to ensure on time departure and that includes meeting 25 minute spins where scheduled as well as take bag payments prior to boarding. I know personally, I’m one who helps achieve this .
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Yes, we know. Of course this phenomenon is unique to EDI as I suspected.
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No it’s not unique to EDI, far from it.but I do take issue with your inference regards turnaround times being contentious. Do you have details to back this up? I well remember the glory days in GLA with inbound FUA 737s waiting in excess of 40 minutes for access to stands on the international pier gates 27-30 whilst domestics pushed back from stands 25-22.

[Sharpal7]

Iirc Most, if not all of, of Provan's experience comes from BAA (ABZ I think?) and LHR - two airports, particularly the latter, that have very little loco traffic. Also, in the case of LHR, that's not an airport that needs to fight for business at all! Does he have the right qualifications or experience to lead an airport group that's biggest asset has lots of loco and needs a lot more?

Out of the 9 largest regional airports on the UK mainland, GLA it's the only one that doesn't have an FR base - totally embarrassing imo. If all these airports can deal FR in profitably and support such an operation the argument that GLA can't is utter nonsense.

We hear a lot about foreign inbound tourism, but the official stats show that Glasgow has just as many tourists as Liverpool, more than Bristol and iirc 2 or 3 times as many is Leeds in Newcastle - so the argument there's not enough foreign tourists to support an FR base is frankly absolute p*sh!

The fact that EDI - which had the same COVID and lockdown as us - has just secured a 25% increase in based aircraft. So that blows the COVID argument out the water too. And it's not just EDI, even LBA is getting an extra FR aircraft!

Talking about LBA, we should remember that FR has bases there and at LPL, despite their proximity to MAN (which obviously puts EDI in the shade in terms of route network!) and direct rail connections to that airport. So the argument that FR will only use one airport to serve a geographical area doesn't really wash.

Even the perennial failing airport, CWL, has landed a wizz base!

Instead of trying to catch up and put the situation to rights, the management only seem interested in making excuses and spreading hyperbolic negativity to any parliamentary committee that will listen to them (trashing their own business in the press as they do so!). Utterly clueless imo.

Some of the stuff that I see from them makes me wonder if they have just given up - perhaps Ferrovial are preparing to jump ship pretty soon. Let's hope so, because the current ownership and management don't appear to have any strategic plan or idea how to improve the airport or compete effectively!

GLA is like a football team that's rooted to the bottom of the league and can't buy a win no matter what they do. The only solution is to "Sack the board"!!!

Great post Iain.

I have been beating the Glasgow Management London-centric, anti lo-co, ineffective etc.... drum on here for years and it's re-assuring (for me) to have someone like-minded on the forum. I fancy it's too late now to greatly change matters unfortunately.

[Clive]

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Yet they couldn’t possibly fall out with EDI and move everything to GLA? Or turnaround times at EDI become contentious. Or new bosses at GLA make them an offer that can’t be refused.

Never say never, especially with Ryanair.

As you say Clive you never know.but I take issue regards turnaround times.all my colleagues work their buts off to ensure on time departure and that includes meeting 25 minute spins where scheduled as well as take bag payments prior to boarding. I know personally, I’m one who helps achieve this .

Yes, we know. Of course this phenomenon is unique to EDI as I suspected.
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No it’s not unique to EDI, far from it.but I do take issue with your inference regards turnaround times being contentious. Do you have details to back this up? I well remember the glory days in GLA with inbound FUA 737s waiting in excess of 40 minutes for access to stands on the international pier gates 27-30 whilst domestics pushed back from stands 25-22.
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Wind your neck in. I never once said or inferred that turnaround times are contentious. Try actually reading what was written and keep the high and mighty stuff for other forums.

[atuk]

Clive, YOUR post stated “ turnaround times become contentious”!

I simply responded. My neck wasn’t wound out therefore it doesn’t require to be wound back in.

Your post and response is the one which quite frankly is out of order and I’m not being high and mighty therefore your post is totally bang out of order and requires an apology!

[Clive]

Clive, YOUR post stated “ turnaround times become contentious”!

I simply responded. My neck wasn’t wound out therefore it doesn’t require to be wound back in.

Your post and response is the one which quite frankly is out of order and I’m not being high and mighty therefore your post is totally bang out of order and requires an apology!

Schoolboy error. We can all see that you snipped the context to suit your needs. Here’s what I wrote in full

“ Yet they couldn’t possibly fall out with EDI and move everything to GLA? Or turnaround times at EDI become contentious. Or new bosses at GLA make them an offer that can’t be refused.

Never say never, especially with Ryanair.”

Nowhere did I say turnaround times were contentious, I said maybe one day they could become so - because that’s what Ryanair do. Of course you jumped in all guns blazing, twisting my words and inferring that your colleagues work harder than any others in the industry, therefor preserving the status quo where Turnhoose has 10 based aircraft and GLA has none.

We get that you work there but we are far more interested in GLA in this forum.

This is the end of the conversation.

[atuk]

The only thing about having a large TUI base is that they don't begin summer flying until May, so the easter holidays flying programme would be covered by their winter schedule which might be a concern for TUI.

Yes but historically they switched to sunshine routes from ski routes from late March and during April. CMF-PMI, TRN-AGP,

That said there seems to be a lot more winter flying from NCL for TUI than there is from GLA. Maybe winter 22 will show an increase more so if SSH returns again.