Edinburgh

[viscount]

I don’t think they have a chance with Icelandair they already have EasyJet serving this route
My bets are on new West jet routes and a return of EK

[atuk]

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I don’t think they have a chance with Icelandair they already have EasyJet serving this route

Mainly irrelevant, as the two airlines generally serve two distinct markets.
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They do however EK is a much bigger fish than FI. The rumour mill abounds regards their return- even so far as abandoning GLA! I personally don’t think that would happen however EK have just announced frequency increases for DUS and HAM but no mention of GLA.

Meanwhile QR is bursting at the seams daily with lots of west coast passengers whom I suspect wouldn’t be there if EK were double daily from GLA. QR also rumoured to be increasing EDI frequency….. watch this space!

[atuk]

The really worrying aspect of theVisit Scotland comments is there is plenty of plaudits for EDI; but no mention of GLA.

For the record the second wave consists of UA to EWR and ORD, WS and AC to YYZ, DL to BOS.the third wave co-inciting with the return of early EZY and FR aircraft comprises UA to IAD, DL to ATL and JFK, QR to DOH.

First wave wide bodied arrivals are QR to DOH and VS to MCO.

[Bearsden]

I don’t think they have a chance with Icelandair they already have EasyJet serving this route

Mainly irrelevant, as the two airlines generally serve two distinct markets.

An interesting one as normally I would suggest this would fall under making sure you are 'single source' on many routes and ideally they are 'single source' on none but of course this would add indirect capacity to North America although relatively insignificant at peak 5 pw on a B38M

[Clive]

Unfortunately it looks like the days of US hub routes from GLA are over.

Remember this though from one of our more ITK posters:

Don’t care about Turnhoose but I fully expect JetBlue and United at GLA next year.

We’ll probably see WestJet consolidating Scottish ops at GLA too IMHO.

I was not under the impression that said poster was 'in the know'.

It’s not what you know but who you know.

But if anyone here thinks there isn’t a market worth serving from GLA they are probably in the wrong place.

[Iain]

It’s not what you know but who you know.

But if anyone here thinks there isn’t a market worth serving from GLA they are probably in the wrong place.

Yes, absolutely. You only need to look at the amount of passengers to the USA and amount of American tourists visiting Glasgow pre-COVOD to see the market. With airlines seemingly loading up routes and frequencies at Edinburgh it should be a clear market opportunity for other airlines to come to GLA to serve that market.

The problem it seems is that the people in charge at GLA don't appear to be particularly effective at selling these opportunities.

[Clive]

But if anyone here thinks there isn’t a market worth serving from GLA they are probably in the wrong place.

Yes, absolutely. You only need to look at the amount of passengers to the USA and amount of American tourists visiting Glasgow pre-COVOD to see the market. With airlines seemingly loading up routes and frequencies at Edinburgh it should be a clear market opportunity for other airlines to come to GLA to serve that market.

The problem it seems is that the people in charge at GLA don't appear to be particularly effective at selling these opportunities.

I've no doubt that there is a market for people from North America who want to travel to Glasgow. But it's a small part of a much larger market of people from North America who want to travel to and then around Scotland. Included in that much larger market are people from North America who want to travel to Edinburgh (a market in itself larger than the market for people from North America who want to travel solely to Glasgow). If US airlines can efficiently serve those larger Scotland and Edinburgh markets by providing wide-body services to Edinburgh, what incentive do they have to serve the smaller Glasgow market directly, especially as ground transportation between Glasgow and Edinburgh airport is straightforward (and the distance is fairly short by North American standards)?

Indeed.
Some people insist the airports are substitutional for each other so presumably an airline could serve the same Scottish market from GLA but why would they? Unfortunately GLA bosses are in a far more difficult position than their counterparts at EDI.

[atuk]

Ryanair relaunch EDI-STN from 30 October: initially 11 weekly, then 14 weekly from 1 December: https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/15 ... 5721329664

That’s one way of helping keep one or more of these 10 based aircraft this winter. Presumably the portent for twelve based next summer. Oh the joys of 8888 and 8824 on a Friday evening!

[hads]

But if anyone here thinks there isn’t a market worth serving from GLA they are probably in the wrong place.

Yes, absolutely. You only need to look at the amount of passengers to the USA and amount of American tourists visiting Glasgow pre-COVOD to see the market. With airlines seemingly loading up routes and frequencies at Edinburgh it should be a clear market opportunity for other airlines to come to GLA to serve that market.

The problem it seems is that the people in charge at GLA don't appear to be particularly effective at selling these opportunities.

I've no doubt that there is a market for people from North America who want to travel to Glasgow. But it's a small part of a much larger market of people from North America who want to travel to and then around Scotland. Included in that much larger market are people from North America who want to travel to Edinburgh (a market in itself larger than the market for people from North America who want to travel solely to Glasgow). If US airlines can efficiently serve those larger Scotland and Edinburgh markets by providing wide-body services to Edinburgh, what incentive do they have to serve the smaller Glasgow market directly, especially as ground transportation between Glasgow and Edinburgh airport is straightforward (and the distance is fairly short by North American standards)?

Indeed.
Some people insist the airports are substitutional for each other so presumably an airline could serve the same Scottish market from GLA but why would they? Unfortunately GLA bosses are in a far more difficult position than their counterparts at EDI.

indeed they are. Take no pleasure in that tbh. GLA has lost critical mass. So its pretty much a reactionary environment rather than a strategic one.
Events happen and GLA just need to deal with it. Edinburgh can think strategically different.
We once had the highly informed people on here stating the total number of Central belt passengers.Remember? Something like 25 million available bottoms on seats.
What is it like today?

[GeorgeNTravels]

We once had the highly informed people on here stating the total number of Central belt passengers.Remember? Something like 25 million available bottoms on seats.
What is it like today?

For the summer season this year seats available, as of March 17th 2022

EDI - 10,344,992 (63.24% of the market)
GLA - 5,966,728 (36.47% of the market)
PIK - ~446,976 (2.7% of the market)

Total seats filled so far, (last figures included are August 2022)

EDI - 5,640,796 (54.53% of seats)
GLA - 3,311,756 (55.50% of seats)
PIK - 265,944 (59.50% of seats)

I should point out that some routes that have been cut from GLA may affect the maths those being,

Transavia ORY
Corendon DLM
WestJet YHZ (early finish)

As these routes were cut, the impact of additional EJU seats to CDG, AMS, PMI, FAO & AGP will be smaller.

EDI has also had some changes to its scheduled seats, most notable is UA with ORD, equipment changes and a delayed start will impact the number of people able to travel. Air Baltic and Flyr have removed seats mid season as well impacting seats available figure.

AFAIK no changes have occurred at PIK this year impacting its schedule