FR S23 Expansion?

[bill]

All joking aside, fingers tightly crossed on this one - potentially GLA’s saviour.

I did think the reintroduction of Ryanair domestic links to STN could be the catalyst we needed to get a base established at GLA, as happened before.

But I’d take any uptick in business between GLA and Ryanair.

Absolutely. Growth has got to start somewhere and if it's only STN to begin so be it. FR are, imho, the only potential driver for growth on the horizon these days.

[bill]

Some encouraging news that GLA are at least having positive discussions with Ryanair. However a warning shot across their bows in the press from Ryanair that there is a lot of competition for aircraft elsewhere in Europe. (Ie agree to our proposals and you’ll get aircraft and routes.)

Exactly but even Joe Bloggs in the street who knows the square root of hee-haw about aviation knows Ryanairs M.O. "Treat 'Em Mean And Keep 'Em Keen". We should be dealing MOL a hand that he simply can't refuse. Imho of course.

[bill]

Well, Im changing position on this rumour. Not a huge R fan. Use them when I need to. Dont trust them.Dont believe them.
However, with the lack of progress at GLA, this should be welcomed if in fact its true.
Beggars cant be choosers and all that.

100% Hads. If FR do pitch up again enjoy the ride. There won't ever be a dull moment that's for sure.

[Bearsden]

Some encouraging news that GLA are at least having positive discussions with Ryanair. However a warning shot across their bows in the press from Ryanair that there is a lot of competition for aircraft elsewhere in Europe. (Ie agree to our proposals and you’ll get aircraft and routes.)

Exactly but even Joe Bloggs in the street who knows the square root of hee-haw about aviation knows Ryanairs M.O. "Treat 'Em Mean And Keep 'Em Keen". We should be dealing MOL a hand that he simply can't refuse. Imho of course.

What deal do you give Ryanair that doesn't upset easyJet, Jet2 & TUI especially if Ryanair want to expand at Glasgow on routes currently served by these airlines?

So it has to be new destinations which I suspect means targetting passengers 'leaking' to Edinburgh or Prestwick - I can't think of any viable destinations on Ryanair's current footprint not already served by the airline from Central Scotland

[GeorgeNTravels]

Derek Provan leaves and all of a sudden Ryanair are keen on growth again

Yeah I know. Who'd have ever thought that eh? Unless Provan was paid off in lieu I think he's hanging around until March 2023 if memory serves, so I'm not expecting things to move until then.

Maybe they have him sitting in the corner doing a crossword so the adults can do some work

[Clive]

Some encouraging news that GLA are at least having positive discussions with Ryanair. However a warning shot across their bows in the press from Ryanair that there is a lot of competition for aircraft elsewhere in Europe. (Ie agree to our proposals and you’ll get aircraft and routes.)

Exactly but even Joe Bloggs in the street who knows the square root of hee-haw about aviation knows Ryanairs M.O. "Treat 'Em Mean And Keep 'Em Keen". We should be dealing MOL a hand that he simply can't refuse. Imho of course.

What deal do you give Ryanair that doesn't upset easyJet, Jet2 & TUI especially if Ryanair want to expand at Glasgow on routes currently served by these airlines?

So it has to be new destinations which I suspect means targetting passengers 'leaking' to Edinburgh or Prestwick - I can't think of any viable destinations on Ryanair's current footprint not already served by the airline from Central Scotland

It could be an interesting exercise to examine the Ryanair schedules from EDI for those with higher frequency schedules of 6 or more weekly. One way to predict demand from GLA is to have half the flights that EDI has since we are entertaining about half the volume of pax that EDI does. So where there’s a daily service, GLA could expect to sustain 3-4 weekly.

How to do it is offer 100% rebates for 3 years on unserved routes and 50% rebates on underserved routes, and offer Jet2 and easyJet the same so that all’s equal.

[GeorgeNTravels]

Exactly but even Joe Bloggs in the street who knows the square root of hee-haw about aviation knows Ryanairs M.O. "Treat 'Em Mean And Keep 'Em Keen". We should be dealing MOL a hand that he simply can't refuse. Imho of course.

What deal do you give Ryanair that doesn't upset easyJet, Jet2 & TUI especially if Ryanair want to expand at Glasgow on routes currently served by these airlines?

So it has to be new destinations which I suspect means targetting passengers 'leaking' to Edinburgh or Prestwick - I can't think of any viable destinations on Ryanair's current footprint not already served by the airline from Central Scotland

It could be an interesting exercise to examine the Ryanair schedules from EDI for those with higher frequency schedules of 6 or more weekly. One way to predict demand from GLA is to have half the flights that EDI has since we are entertaining about half the volume of pax that EDI does. So where there’s a daily service, GLA could expect to sustain 3-4 weekly.

How to do it is offer 100% rebates for 3 years on unserved routes and 50% rebates on underserved routes, and offer Jet2 and easyJet the same so that all’s equal.

Not completely related to your point Clive but I should also throw into the mix that Tallinn, Marrakesh and Zadar have not been loaded from EDI next summer. Furthermore, with most of the PIK schedule not loaded RMU could move to GLA.

[Bearsden]

Exactly but even Joe Bloggs in the street who knows the square root of hee-haw about aviation knows Ryanairs M.O. "Treat 'Em Mean And Keep 'Em Keen". We should be dealing MOL a hand that he simply can't refuse. Imho of course.

What deal do you give Ryanair that doesn't upset easyJet, Jet2 & TUI especially if Ryanair want to expand at Glasgow on routes currently served by these airlines?

So it has to be new destinations which I suspect means targetting passengers 'leaking' to Edinburgh or Prestwick - I can't think of any viable destinations on Ryanair's current footprint not already served by the airline from Central Scotland

It could be an interesting exercise to examine the Ryanair schedules from EDI for those with higher frequency schedules of 6 or more weekly. One way to predict demand from GLA is to have half the flights that EDI has since we are entertaining about half the volume of pax that EDI does. So where there’s a daily service, GLA could expect to sustain 3-4 weekly.

How to do it is offer 100% rebates for 3 years on unserved routes and 50% rebates on underserved routes, and offer Jet2 and easyJet the same so that all’s equal.

Based on a quick glance at next summer's Ryanair schedules from Edinburgh, the higher frequencies are mainly the outbound destinations already served from Glasgow by other airlines plus Ryanair itself in the cases of Alicante & Malaga and of course Dublin

The breadth of Ryanair's offering from Edinburgh is predominately on 2 or 3 times a week schedules with a few exceptions like Berlin, Copenhagen, Gdansk, Prague & Warsaw so the rebates deal on the 2 or 3 times a week schedules would involve switching airports . . . . just as was done in the reverse direction in October 2018 when Ryanair closed its Glasgow base (I was told by a then senior manager at GLA that management knew nothing about the announcement which you may recall was made in Edinburgh while announcing an expansion there . . . that is the hard deal making which airports have to do with Ryanair so I was interested in some of the observations about commercial tactics above)

Clearly Scandinavia is a huge hole in Glasgow's schedules so Copenhagen would seem an obvious target . . . not just Ryanair but anybody!

Similarly easyJet offer high frequencies on a number of routes out of Edinburgh such as Geneva while Glasgow is limited to weekend winter ski flights

[will1983]

FR PIK S23 has been taken off sale on FRs website. Sign of those A/C moving to GLA a possibility?

[Clive]

FR PIK S23 has been taken off sale on FRs website. Sign of those A/C moving to GLA a possibility?

A distinct possibility.