GLA is down, but has more growth potential

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Re: GLA is down, but has more growth potential

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Planeenthusiast wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 8:57 pm An interesting article. The one thing I didn’t read, unless I missed it, is any comments on the failure of GLA management to win new routes or regain lost ones. Potential, yes, perhaps. An acceptance that EDI marketing and management teams continue to be miles ahead? In a competitive market, the winners is usually the ones that go that extra mile to secure the business. I don’t see this with the current management team at GLA.
That maybe isn’t George’s opinion. As he’s an intelligent chap he probably realises the cold hard facts of the air travel industry as it builds back after lockdown. A magic wand would be great but this is a multi billion industry with tiny margins. Of course airlines are risk averse and have consolidated. Hopefully George’s piece is about where GLA can grow back to previous highs and beyond. It’s not going to overtake EDI so we needn’t dwell on that. It’s about what GLA can do for GLA’s sake. I know that’s how GLA bosses see it.
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Re: GLA is down, but has more growth potential

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Great analysis, really interesting! :D

As you mention, I think the loss of transatlantics and US flights is the most stark. Is there another European airport that had scheduled US service in S19 that has completely lost it for S23? I was thinking STR, but I think DL are back there...maybe VLC? I doubt however that there are any that had 3 airlines/3 routes in S19 and now have none!

As you mention, c.155k seats to the USA lost and none replaced. Looking at it another way, 38k direct pax to the USA in Jul 2019, 6k Jul last year (85% loss) and likely the same this Jul. I won't compare to EDI (suffice to say it ain't good - and will be even worse in S23!), but how about MAN? It's lost about 60% of its US numbers Jul 19 to Jul 22, so a lot better than GLA. If GLA had a 60% loss we'd still probably have enough pax for a daily NYC plus 2w A330 to MCO.

Any suggestion that these pax have all disappeared or all prefer to fly to EDI seems pretty unlikely imo.

When you add in WJ and AC it's looks like a pretty spectacular failure to defend and protect this business - and replace what's lost. Given the numbers to Orlando pre COVID, it seems particularly inept to me that they've not got replacement service to MCO. We now have little more US numbers than BRS and NCL and iirc more direct pax to Mexico than the USA. :roll:

Consider also that the USA is Glasgow's largest inbound visitor market and the city is in the top 3 or 4 most visited UK cities by American tourists, so, despite Mr Bourienne's comments, on these routes there should be plenty inbound too. I posted in another thread signs that US visitor numbers to the UK are maybe above pre COVID, so even more of a failure - and a failure at the airport that must surely be bad for the city too given the importance of US visitors.

The ME flights don't seem great either. GLA still 1x daily, whilst EDI has higher frequency QR. BHX is back to 2x daily + QR back and Saudia starting and MAN has EK/QR/EY about back to normal, plus new Gulf Air to BAH and Kuwait airways to KWI.

Wrt to BUD it's interesting that GLA is also being sought at that end too. I think there are a few routes that operated for a fair while with plenty pax, which maybe suggests they could be reserrected - OTP, DUS, MUC, VCE. I guess some like DUS and MUC might have slot issues etc, but BUD, OTP, NRN, VCE could all be done by FR. Unfortunately it seems to me GLA STILL don't have a growth relationship with FR so even if EDI capacity is an issue, I think they'd be down the M77 tbh. You would think GLA would be desperate and want to prevent that, but it seems not.

I'd be more hopeful about EZY tbh. I notice they seem to be double daily CDG M-F now (and fares don't seem that cheap!), which seems pretty good given the recent failure of VY and Transavia.
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Re: GLA is down, but has more growth potential

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For NYC, I think our best option is to get Aer Lingus UK with an A321Neo, similar to their MAN operation. Once the 321 Neo XLR gets certified and delivered to them, this could then be a viable option for Orlando.
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Re: GLA is down, but has more growth potential

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McG wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 1:27 pm For NYC, I think our best option is to get Aer Lingus UK with an A321Neo, similar to their MAN operation. Once the 321 Neo XLR gets certified and delivered to them, this could then be a viable option for Orlando.
Yes, I would hope they might be looking at other UK regionals like GLA for that kind of ops. Even now though, they could surely do a 2 or 3 weekly W pattern with a MAN based A330?
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Iain wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 4:01 pm
McG wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 1:27 pm For NYC, I think our best option is to get Aer Lingus UK with an A321Neo, similar to their MAN operation. Once the 321 Neo XLR gets certified and delivered to them, this could then be a viable option for Orlando.
Yes, I would hope they might be looking at other UK regionals like GLA for that kind of ops. Even now though, they could surely do a 2 or 3 weekly W pattern with a MAN based A330?
Right now the 330 is the only type EUK fly. The 321 went back to EIN last week.
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Re: GLA is down, but has more growth potential

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jetblue497 wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 5:02 pm
Iain wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 4:01 pm
McG wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 1:27 pm For NYC, I think our best option is to get Aer Lingus UK with an A321Neo, similar to their MAN operation. Once the 321 Neo XLR gets certified and delivered to them, this could then be a viable option for Orlando.
Yes, I would hope they might be looking at other UK regionals like GLA for that kind of ops. Even now though, they could surely do a 2 or 3 weekly W pattern with a MAN based A330?
Right now the 330 is the only type EUK fly. The 321 went back to EIN last week.
Didn’t realise the 321 had went back to main Lingus.
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Re: GLA is down, but has more growth potential

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Great article George. Thanks for posting the link on here.
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Re: GLA is down, but has more growth potential

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To go back to Clive's previous query re market share pre- and post-Covid, in 2019 GLA had 3.26% of the total UK, in 2022 it was 2.94%.

Specifically Scottish, in 2019 we had 49.48% of the full market, in 2022 our market share for the recovery year was 30.49%. So, a fair bit of ground to make up and get back to our previous position. Bearing in mind also that 2019 figures were down from 2018, reflecting the end of the Ryanair base and the Thomas Cook collapse
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PiperOne wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 9:11 pm To go back to Clive's previous query re market share pre- and post-Covid, in 2019 GLA had 3.26% of the total UK, in 2022 it was 2.94%.

Specifically Scottish, in 2019 we had 49.48% of the full market, in 2022 our market share for the recovery year was 30.49%. So, a fair bit of ground to make up and get back to our previous position. Bearing in mind also that 2019 figures were down from 2018, reflecting the end of the Ryanair base and the Thomas Cook collapse
Thanks Fergus. That does put real context to the picture.
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Lets hope the airport revives on all levels.
As someone who takes an interest in the thoughts of others on here, it is quite revealing that many of us put the stagnation down to " wrong aircraft, poor flight times, collapse of airline,lack of available aircraft" etc.
Meanwhile, elsewhere in the UK, sites just get on with it.
With Jet 2 investing big numbers in Metal over the coming years, thats my only hope of decent options.
I , for the life of me, just cant see anywhere else a decent increase in volume will come from.
Would be very happy indeed to mange mon Chapeau
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